Price increase...again.

[Sil Odan]

Posted on Dakka Dakka. Another GW price increase. Is this the third one in as many years? When this was first posted it was thought to be a hoax. If you click the link and look about 10 or 11 pages into the thread, it appears that the rumor is being confirmed as fact and not fiction.

I will no longer purchase GW supplies. If I can't convert it out of what I already have, I'm done. There are much cheaper wargames out there that are a fraction of the cost compared to what GW is charging. They will provide quick start rule sets free of charge, and have a much more solid rule set than GW. I'm done with this crap. Warmachine. Infinity. Tomorrow Wars. I'll get my fix another way...but not through GW anymore.

www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/451127.page

[Servo]

*sigh* I feel your pain.

After 12 years with a WD subscription I had to cancel when they went to $80/year; I used to buy every Codex and Army Book, but I was priced out of the Fantasy Army Books when they went to hardcover; I stopped buying most of their supplies due to outrageous costs for adding a stupid GW logo; and I won't buy anything over $15 unless it is online for 20-25% off.

Tiamat suggested we start a thread where we can list alternatives for supplies and models. I will start it myself shortly.

[Servo]

Anyone want to do a mass purchase from Miniature market before the price increase next week?

[Sil Odan]

Seriously, I'm done. I'm sick of GW's crap. I shouldn't be made to feel like the shivering, twitchy crackhead forking over cash to his dealer just to score another fix. I am not a junke; I am a consumer. I am a decision maker. And the way I make my decisions is through the choices I make with my wallet.

Let's consider that for some reason (greed) GW chooses to use paint pots that cause paints to dry out within a couple of months. The original Snakebite Leather formula I have had since 1997 is still perfect. But the Chaos Black I bought 6 months ago dried out 2 months ago. Let's consider packaging vs. squad size. Lootas get a max squad size of 15. The box comes with 5 figures. Great! I only need to buy 3 boxes...oh wait, of those 5 figures only 4 of them are lootas. Which means I need to buy 4 boxes for 1 lousy figure to complete a full squad. Tau Pathfinders max squad size is 8. But they come in blisters of 3. Not 4. Not 2. But 3. So if I want a full squad, I need to buy 3 blisters and suffer having extra models I don't need. Grey Knights. Squad size 10. They come in boxes of 5 for $33 each. That's $66 + tax for one full squad. Sure, you get all the pieces to make your choice of any three or four types of Grey Knight. But if I can only assemble 5 models, what the hell good do all those pieces do me? Lower the price, and package them specifically as Purifiers. Or whatever the other ones are. And of course, GW alters rules for models just to convince their customer base to purchase the pricier models. Example: deep-striking land raiders. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

Sorry for the rant. But I'm done. There are plenty of lower-cost hobbies that will provide much less frustration and a higher return on the enjoyment factor.

[Sil Odan]

The list below is courtesy of the Northern Illinois Miniature Gaming Club:


Name / New Price / Old Price / Difference

40k
BA ASTORATH THE GRIM $21.50 $20.75 3.61%
BA BLOOD ANGELS FURIOSO DREADNOUGHT $46.25 $44.50 3.93%
BA COMMANDER DANTE $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
BA BLOOD ANGELS BATTLEFORCE $110.00 $100.00 10.00%
BA BLOOD ANGELS BAAL PREDATOR $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
BA/GK STORMRAVEN GUNSHIP $82.50 $66.00 25.00%
BT EMPERORS CHAMPION $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
BT BLACK TEMPLARS CHAPTER UPGRADE $33.00 $30.00 10.00%
CSM HURON BLACKHEART $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
CSM CHAOS TERMINATOR LORD $24.75 $22.50 10.00%
CSM CHAOS SPACE MARINE LAND RAIDER $74.25 $66.00 12.50%
CSM CHAOS SPACE MARINE RHINO $37.25 $33.00 12.88%
CSM CHAOS SPACE MARINE BATTLEFORCE $125.00 $110.00 13.64%
CSM CHAOS SPACE MARINE PREDATOR $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
CSM CHAOS SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
CSM CHAOS SPAWN $41.25 $33.00 25.00%
DA COMPANY MASTER $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
DA DARK ANGELS RAVENWING BATTLEFORCE $115.00 $105.00 9.52%
DA DARK ANGELS VETERAN SPACE MARINES $33.00 $25.00 32.00%
DAEMONS NURGLE DAEMON PRINCE $37.25 $35.50 4.93%
DAEMONS FLAMERS OF TZEENTCH $24.00 $23.00 4.35%
DAEMONS Chaos Daemons Battalion/Battleforce $115.00 $105.00 9.52%
DAEMONS SEEKERS OF SLAANESH $29.00 $24.75 17.17%
DE Dark Eldar Talos Pain Engine $46.25 $44.50 3.93%
DE DARK ELDAR ARCHON $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
DE UR-GHUL $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
DE MEDUSAE $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
DE DARK ELDAR LHAMAEAN $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
DE DARK ELDAR SSLYTH $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
DE HAEMONCULUS $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
DE URIEN RAKARTH $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
DE LELITH HESPERAX $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
DE DARK ELDAR SUCCUBUS $16.00 $15.00 6.67%
DE Dark Eldar Razorwing Jetfighter $45.50 $41.25 10.30%
DE DARK ELDAR RAIDER $37.25 $33.00 12.88%
DE Dark Eldar Battleforce $110.00 $95.00 15.79%
DE DARK ELDAR INCUBI $41.25 $35.50 16.20%
DE DARK ELDAR REAVERS $39.50 $34.75 13.67%
ELDAR GUARDIANS $36.25 $35.00 3.57%
ELDAR WRAITHLORD $46.25 $44.50 3.93%
ELDAR THE AVATAR OF KHAINE $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
ELDAR AUTARCH W.POWER WPN $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
ELDAR DEATH JESTER $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
ELDAR HARLEQUIN SHADOWSEER $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
ELDAR BATTLEFORCE $105.00 $95.00 10.53%
ELDAR DARK REAPERS $41.25 $35.50 16.20%
ELDAR WARP SPIDERS $41.25 $35.50 16.20%
ELDAR STRIKING SCORPIONS $41.25 $35.50 16.20%
ELDAR HOWLING BANSHEES $41.25 $35.50 16.20%
ELDAR FIRE DRAGONS $41.25 $35.50 16.20%
ELDAR SWOOPING HAWKS $41.25 $35.50 16.20%
ELDAR HARLEQUIN TROUPE $41.25 $35.50 16.20%
GK INQ KARAMAZOV $56.00 $53.75 4.19%
GK CASTELLAN CROWE $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
GK INQUISITOR COTEAZ $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
GK/BA STORMRAVEN GUNSHIP $82.50 $66.00 25.00%
IG CATACHAN HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD $39.50 $38.75 1.94%
IG CADIAN HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD $39.50 $38.75 1.94%
IG COLOUR SERGEANT KELL $21.50 $20.75 3.61%
IG IMPERIAL GUARD CATACHAN BATTLEFORCE $120.00 $115.00 4.35%
IG IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN BATTLEFORCE $120.00 $115.00 4.35%
IG COMMISSAR $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
IG LORD CASTELLAN CREED $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
IG COMMISSAR YARRICK $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
IG IMPERIAL GUARD CHIMERA $37.25 $35.00 6.43%
IG IMPERIAL GUARD BANEBLADE $115.50 $99.00 16.67%
IG IMPERIAL GUARD SHADOWSWORD/STORMLORD $115.50 $99.00 16.67%
Necron Warriors $36.25 $35.00 3.57%
NECRON LORD RES ORB $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
NECRON CRYPTEK $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
NECRONS C'TAN S NIGHTBRINGER $37.25 $35.50 4.93%
NECRONS C'TAN S THE DECEIVER $37.25 $35.50 4.93%
Necron Triarch Stalker $49.50 $47.00 5.32%
NECRON OVERLORD $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
NECRON IMOTEKH THE STORMLRD $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
NECRON NEMESOR ZAHNDREKH $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
NECRON TRAZYN THE INFINITE $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
NECRON BATTLEFORCE $115.00 $105.00 9.52%
Necron Catacomb Command Barge / Annihilation Barge $37.25 $33.00 12.88%
ORK KILLA KANS $46.25 $44.50 3.93%
ORK GHAZGHKULL THRAKA $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
ORK MEK W. SHOKK GUN $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
ORK PAINBOY $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
ORK BATTLEFORCE $110.00 $100.00 10.00%
ORK TRUKK $37.25 $33.00 12.88%
ORK STOMPA $115.50 $99.00 16.67%
SM SPACE MARINE DREADNOUGHT $46.25 $44.50 3.93%
SM SPACE MARINE VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT $46.25 $44.50 3.93%
SM SPACE MARINE IRONCLAD DREADNOUGHT $46.25 $44.50 3.93%
SM CALGAR & HON. GUARD $59.00 $56.00 5.36%
SM CAPTAIN SICARIUS $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
SM CHAPLAIN W.J.PACK $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
SM SPACE MARINE ATTACK BIKE $27.25 $25.00 9.00%
SM SPACE MARINE COMMANDER $22.25 $20.00 11.25%
SM SPACE MARINE LANDRAIDER $74.25 $66.00 12.50%
SM SPACEMARINE LANDRAIDER CRUSADER/REDEEMER $74.25 $66.00 12.50%
SM SPACE MARINE RHINO $37.25 $33.00 12.88%
SM SPACE MARINE DROP POD $37.25 $33.00 12.88%
SM SPACE MARINE BATTLEFORCE $125.00 $110.00 13.64%
SM SPACE MARINE WHIRLWIND $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
SM SPACE MARINE PREDATOR $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
SM SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
SM SPACE MARINE RAZORBACK $41.25 $35.00 17.86%
SW SPACE WOLVES BATTLEFORCE $110.00 $100.00 10.00%
TAU FIRE WARRIORS $36.25 $35.00 3.57%
TAU KROOT CARNIVORE SQUAD $36.25 $35.00 3.57%
TAU ETHEREAL HONOUR BLDE $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
TAU DEVILFISH $37.25 $35.00 6.43%
TAU SNIPER DRONE TEAM $41.25 $38.00 8.55%
TAU BATTLEFORCE $120.00 $110.00 9.09%
TAU PIRANHA $29.75 $25.00 19.00%
TAU XV25 STEALTH SUITS $26.50 $22.25 19.10%
TYRANID PYROVORE $37.25 $35.50 4.93%
TYRANID RAVENOR BROOD $47.00 $44.50 5.62%
TYRANID CARNIFEX $53.75 $49.50 8.59%
TYRANID WARRIORS $47.00 $42.00 11.90%
TYRANID BATTLEFORCE $125.00 $110.00 13.64%


URBAN BARRICADES AND WALLS $24.75 $22.00 12.50%
ORK BARRICADES $24.75 $22.00 12.50%
FORTRESS OF REDEMPTION $115.50 $99.00 16.67%
HONOURED IMPERIUM $29.75 $25.00 19.00%
SKYSHIELD LANDING PAD $49.50 $41.25 20.00%
AEGIS DEFENCE LINE $29.75 $24.75 20.20%
BASILICA ADMINISTRATUM $33.00 $25.00 32.00%
SANCTUM IMPERIALIS $33.00 $25.00 32.00%
40K BUILDINGS MANIFACTORUM $33.00 $25.00 32.00%
IMPERIAL BASTION $41.25 $30.00 37.50%
MOONSCAPE $24.75 $17.00 45.59%
40K BATTLEFIELD ACCESSORIES $19.75 $11.50 71.74%

WH40K BASING KIT $29.75 $24.75 20.20%
SQUARE BASES $10.00 $8.25 21.21%
ROUND BASES $10.00 $8.25 21.21%
PLANETARY EMPIRES $57.75 $49.50 16.67%

WARHAMMER 40,000: APOCALYPSE (ENGLISH) $57.75 $50.00 15.50%
WARHAMMER 40,000: BATTLE MISSIONS (ENGLISH) $37.25 $29.00 28.45%
WARHAMMER 40,000: CITIES OF DEATH (ENGLISH) $37.25 $29.00 28.45%
WARHAMMER 40,000: PLANETSTRIKE (ENGLISH) $37.25 $29.00 28.45%
CODEX SPACE MARINES (ENGLISH) $41.25 $33.00 25.00%
CODEX BLACK TEMPLARS (ENGLISH) $33.00 $24.75 33.33%
CODEX TAU EMPIRE (ENGLISH) $33.00 $24.75 33.33%





WHFB:
BEASTMEN MINOTAURS $47.00 $44.50 5.62%
BEASTMEN JABBERSLYTHE $69.00 $66.00 4.55%
BRETONNIAN BATTALION $105.00 $90.00 16.67%
BRETONNIAN THE GREEN KNIGHT $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
BRETONNIAN PEGASUS KNIGHT $19.75 $18.25 8.22%
CHAOS SPAWN $41.25 $33.00 25.00%
CHAOS KNIGHTS $33.00 $29.75 10.92%
CHAOS MARAUDER HORSEMEN $29.00 $24.75 17.17%
CHAOS Nurgle Chaos Lord $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
CHAOS Sorcerer Lord $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
CHAOS Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
CHAOS EXALTED HERO $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
CHAOS BATTALION $110.00 $100.00 10.00%
CHAOS KHORNE EXALTED HERO $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
CHAOS Lord on Manticore $53.75 $49.50 8.59%
COCKATRICE $37.25 $35.50 4.93%
DAEMON PRINCE $41.25 $33.00 25.00%
DAEMON Battalion/Battleforce $115.00 $105.00 9.52%
DAEMON SEEKERS OF SLAANESH $29.00 $24.75 17.17%
DAEMON THE CHANGELING $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
DAEMON HERALD TZT $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
DAEMON FLAMERS OF TZEENTCH $24.00 $23.00 4.35%
DAEMON LRD ON DAEMON MNT $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
DAEMON NURGLE DAEMON PRINCE $37.25 $35.50 4.93%
DARK ELF COLD ONE KNIGHTS $33.00 $29.75 10.92%
DARK ELF Supreme Sorceress $14.75 $15.00 -1.67%
DARK ELF ASASSIN W.2HWEPS $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
DARK ELF DREADLORD $26.75 $25.50 4.90%
DARK ELF BATTALION $115.00 $105.00 9.52%
DARK ELF Dreadlord on Black Dragon $53.75 $49.50 8.59%
DARK ELF WAR HYDRA $69.00 $66.00 4.55%
DWARF BATTALION $105.00 $100.00 5.00%
DWARF ARMY STANDARD $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
DWARF LORD W.HAMMER $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
DWARF RUNELORD $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
DWARF ENGINEER $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
DWARF THOREK IRONBROW $56.00 $49.50 13.13%
DWARF GYROCOPTER $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
DWARF BOLT THROWER $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
DWARF GRUDGE THROWER $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
EMPIRE BATTALION $105.00 $100.00 5.00%
EMPIRE GENERAL $29.75 $26.50 12.26%
EMPIRE BATTLE WIZARDS $29.75 $24.75 20.20%
EMPIRE PISTOLIERS / OUTRIDERS $29.00 $24.75 17.17%
EMPIRE CAPTAIN W.HAMMER $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
EMPIRE Captain of the Empire $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
EMPIRE Master Engineer $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
EMPIRE KURT HELBORG $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
EMPIRE War Altar of Sigmar $53.75 $49.50 8.59%
EMPIRE Celestial Hurricanum / Luminark of Hysh $53.75 $49.50 8.59%
EMPIRE LUDWIG SCHWARZHELM $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
HIGH ELF HIGHBORN W.GREAT WEP $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
HIGH ELF TYRION $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
HIGH ELF CHARIOT $29.75 $26.50 12.26%
HIGH ELF PRINCE AND NOBLE $29.75 $26.50 12.26%
HIGH ELF ARCHMAGE AND MAGE $29.75 $26.50 12.26%
HIGH ELF BATTALION $115.00 $105.00 9.52%
HIGH ELF DRAGON PRINCES OF CALEDOR $33.00 $29.75 10.92%
HIGH ELF LORD ON DRAGON $53.75 $49.50 8.59%
HIGH ELF CARADRYAN $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
HIGH ELF KORHIL $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
LIZARDMEN STEGADON $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
LIZARDMEN KROQ GAR $69.00 $66.00 4.55%
LIZARDMEN Saurus Oldblood $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
LIZARDMEN BATTALION $110.00 $105.00 4.76%
OGRE BATTALION $110.00 $105.00 4.76%
OGRE GOLGFAG $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
OGRE TYRANT $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
OGRE SLAUGHTERMASTER $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
OGRE FIREBELLY $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
OGRE BRAGG THE GUTSMAN $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
OGRE YHETEES $52.00 $49.50 5.05%
ORC BATTALION $115.00 $105.00 9.52%
ORC SHAMAN ON BOAR $26.75 $25.50 4.90%
ORC BOAR BOYZ $29.00 $24.75 17.17%
ORC SAVAGE ORC BOAR BOYZ $29.00 $24.75 17.17%
ORC ROCK LOBBER $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
ORC WARBOSS $29.75 $26.50 12.26%
ORC GRIMGOR IRONHIDE $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
ORC BLACK ORC BIG BOSS $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
ORC GIANT $53.75 $49.50 8.59%
ORC WARBOSS ON WYVERN $69.00 $66.00 4.55%
ORC RIVER TROLLS $47.00 $44.50 5.62%
SKAVEN DOOM-FLAYER $24.00 $23.00 4.35%
SKAVEN WARLORD $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
SKAVEN BATTALION $115.00 $110.00 4.55%
SKAVEN HELL PIT ABOMINATION $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
SKAVEN JEZZAILS $52.00 $49.50 5.05%
SKAVEN QUEEK HEADTAKER $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
SKAVEN SCREAMING BELL/PLAGUE FURNACE $62.00 $57.75 7.36%
SKAVEN DEATHMASTER SNIKCH $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
Tomb Kings BATTALION $125.00 $120.00 4.17%
Tomb Kings CASKET OF SOULS $56.00 $53.75 4.19%
Tomb Kings GREAT WEAPON $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
Tomb Kings LICHE PRIEST $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
Tomb Kings NECROTECT $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
Tomb Kings USHABTI GREAT BOW $52.00 $49.50 5.05%
Tomb Kings USHABTI GREAT WEPS $52.00 $49.50 5.05%
Tomb Kings PRINCE APOPHAS $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
Tomb Kings KHEMRIAN WARSPHINX/NECROSPHINX $53.75 $49.50 8.59%
VAMPIRE Wight King $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
VAMPIRE Cairn Wraith $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
VAMPIRE Tomb Banshee $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
VAMPIRE Necromancer $14.75 $13.25 11.32%
VAMPIRE Black Knights / Hexwraiths $33.00 $29.75 10.92%
VAMPIRE LORD $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
VAMPIRE COUNTS CORPSE CART $29.75 $26.50 12.26%
VAMPIRE ISABELLA V. CARSTEIN $16.00 $15.25 4.92%
VAMPIRE COUNT MANNFRED $40.00 $38.00 5.26%
VAMPIRE COUNTS BATTALION $125.00 $115.00 8.70%
VAMPIRE VARGHULF $37.25 $35.50 4.93%
VAMPIRE VLAD VON CARSTEIN $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
VAMPIRE KONRAD VON CARSTEIN $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
VAMPIRE KRELL LORD UNDEATH $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
VAMPIRE Coven Throne / Mortis Engine $62.00 $57.75 7.36%
WOOD ELF BATTALION $100.00 $90.00 11.11%
WOOD ELF SPELLWEAVER W. STAFF $19.25 $18.25 5.48%
WOOD ELF TREE KIN $52.00 $49.50 5.05%
WODD ELF ORION $40.00 $38.00 5.26%

WARHAMMER: THE EMPIRE (ENGLISH) $45.50 $41.25 10.30%
WARHAMMER: ORCS & GOBLINS (ENGLISH) $45.50 $41.25 10.30%
WARHAMMER: VAMPIRE COUNTS (ENGLISH) $45.50 $41.25 10.30%
WARHAMMER: Tomb Kings (ENGLISH) $45.50 $41.25 10.30%
WARHAMMER: OGRE KINGDOMS (ENGLISH) $45.50 $41.25 10.30%
WARHAMMER: STORM OF MAGIC (ENGLISH) $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
UNIFORMS & HERALDRY OF THE EMPIRE (ENGLISH) $29.75 $29.00 2.59%
UNIFORM & HERALDRY OF THE SKAVEN (ENGLISH) $29.75 $29.00 2.59%

WATCHTOWER $33.00 $30.00 10.00%
TEMPLE OF SKULLS $33.00 $30.00 10.00%
DREADSTONE BLIGHT $33.00 $30.00 10.00%
Magewrath Throne and Balewind Vortex $41.25 $37.25 10.74%
Eternity Stair and Dreadfire Portal $41.25 $37.25 10.74%
WARHAMMER: BATTLE MAGIC (ENGLISH) $11.50 $9.90 16.16%
MIGHTY EMPIRES $57.75 $49.50 16.67%
CITADEL GAMING HILL $29.75 $25.00 19.00%
ARCANE RUINS $29.75 $25.00 19.00%
CHAPEL $29.75 $25.00 19.00%
CITADEL MODULAR GAMING HILL $29.75 $25.00 19.00%
Garden of Morr $49.50 $41.25 20.00%
WARHAMMER BASING KIT $29.75 $24.75 20.20%
SQUARE BASES $10.00 $8.25 21.21%
Walls and Fences $24.75 $20.00 23.75%
MODULAR MOVMNT TRAY $16.50 $10.00 65.00%
WITCHFATE TOR TOWER OF SORCERY $82.50 $66.00 25.00%

[Mephiston]

Ok, so I'm checking out Tomorrow's War ambushalleygames.com/products/store/product/show/cid-66/name-tomorrows-war/category_pathway-0. It's a separate game that is simply a rule book for playing a table top miniatures game set in the future. Any miniatures are permitted. People play with 40K, Battletech, Halo, or any of the countless others. I saw pics of people using Epic. As long as both sides are using the same scale. No point values (yet, they may come out with a supplement. Plus people are making point charts). The idea is this: Models are classified before the game. Troops, tanks, etc. Then they are given quality assignments and weapons, etc. The qualities and classifications give them different dice amounts and sizes. So a conscript may get a D6 while a standard toop gets a D8 and an elite gets a D12. During combat you have a roll off. Both roll at the same time. Any roll of 4+ is always a winner. You have winning dice rolls cancel each other. In the end someone will likely have more 4+s. Better models have better odds because they may have a D8 or D12. The rule book is $35 ($25 for a PDF). I'm going to buy it for my kids. My 40K army is almost complete but I cannot encourage them to spend all of their lawn mowing money on Games workshop. Tomorrow's war is getting great reviews. They can use the few 40K models they do have. I can use my whole BA army if I want. We can use a standard table top and the terrain that we already have. They can collect miniatures from any source (even Star Wars!). You can create you're armies back story. People actually play 40K or Battletech with the appropriate points and back stories, but with these rules for a more simple fight. I love this concept! I'll obviously continue to play 40K but if this game lives up to it's blogs and reviews www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/15/15416.phtml then I can see Tomorrow's War being a more common game in my house. Again, $35 and any old miniatures in existence.

[Mephiston]

My oldest just bought the Tomorrow's War rule book on Amazon ($25 wity his own money. I'm excited to have a cheap alternative to play with my kids. Take that GW!

[Sil Odan]

Way to stick it to those money grubbing Brits!

[Mephiston]

I know BWP is a 40K club and I'm not trying to change that in any way, but this whole price increase has obviously led me to explore Tomorrow's War. I read the rulebook (at least the basics) and am pretty pumped to try it. It's sooooo different. No top and bottom of turns for a start. You roll for turn initiative every round. You 'activate' a unit and declare it's intention then any units with line of site may declare reactions. Each action and reaction is resolved immediately. Simultaneous rolling during firefights and close combat. Units can merge and split. You can always split fire. Failed moral tests can lead to surrender. POWs become attached to enemy units who can try and move to a table edge to claim a victory point. You can attempt to rescue POWs. All casualties fates are resolved at the beginning of the next turn as first aid checks are made to determine who is actually dead. The differences go on and on. Air strikes, IEDs, rules for planets with different gravity, rules for planets with no air, etc. Simpler dice mechanics. Much less emphasis on weapons and more on troop quality and armor. Lots of modifiers but they are either modifying the type of dice (d6, d8, d10, or d12) or number of dice. All roles have a simple 4+ wins. The only downside is no points. They have scenarios where they make army lists and you simply supply miniatures to match but that's no good for even skirmishes or tournaments. They just released a beta points guide to registered members of their forum. I signed up and am awaiting confirmation.

Again, I'm pumped that my kids and I can start playing once I get some dice. I can arbitrarily split up my army, use old miniatures, or buy new cheap miniatures from other games. I saw posts from a Dust Tactics player who plays this against a friend who plays Eldar. They have their armies and play their separate games but get together and use this rulebook to battle each other. Very cool in my opinion.

I don't really expect any of you to want to play but since I technically own the bedeckedwithpistols.com domain I'm going to periodically talk about it ain't nuttin you can do about it.

[Sil Odan]

Ha! I have no problem with you talking about it. In fact, I'd be willing to give it a go. This means I can finally use the Tau and Space Marines that I have never used before! Maybe we should set up a seperate thread for it, though.

[Mephiston]

Sounds good!

[Sil Odan]

I would strongly urge everyone to check out Infinity. I keep hearing about this game from Greg and it sounds awesome! Futuristic setting (think Ghost in the Shell meets Bladerunner), tight and highly detailed rules, and awesome models. Long range combat is heavily emphasized in this game, and there are fewer models involved in a game than in 40k, so the price cost isn't as huge. A standard game is 300 points; depending on the faction, 300 points would run you between $90-$130. The same cost as a battleforce, yet a single battleforce is not enough even for a small game (at least I know the ork battleforce isn't). Check it out when you guys have some time:

www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en

I should also add that if we ever want to give it a little try, the Corvus Belli has quick start rules available for download online. We can use what we have and proxy the models and try it out, just to see how the rules work. Might not be a bad idea. We might end up finding something we like as much or maybe even more than 40k.

EDIT: AHA! It's gets even better. Not only are the quick start rules available online...but Corvus Belli makes the full rulebook (minus fluff) available online for download...free of charge! They do sell a hard copy that includes all the fluff, but it isn't needed. They also provide an army builder on their website, free of charge. The army builder links to a wiki site run by Corvus Belli, so if you are looking at a unit and don't understand it's ability, click the link and it will direct you to the wiki for the explanantion. Can this be? Is it possible that there's a gaming company out there that actually WANTS it's customer base to like and respect them? This is unheard of!