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Chaos
Jun 7, 2012 14:26:18 GMT -5
Post by Servo on Jun 7, 2012 14:26:18 GMT -5
A lot of rumours from various sources, most pointing toward Chaos Space Marines being included in the 6th Edition boxset (like SM and Orks were in the Blackreach set), and that CSM will be the first Codex of 6th Edition. Here is what we have so far (all rumours, grain of salt, believe at your own risk, etc.): - Codex and first wave of miniatures this October (several sources)
- Traitor Guard and Cultists will be included in the Codex (Tastytaste on Blood of Kittens)
- Chaos Space Marines in the 6th Edition box will be: Sorcerer, 5 Chosen, 5 Posessed, 10-20 Cultists, Dreadnought (several sources)
- Plastic Chaos Dreadnought (in addition to one in 6th Edition box)(several sources)
- Plastic Raptors (75hastings69 on Warseer)
- Chaos Drop Pod, also called a Dreadclaw (stickmonkey on Warseer)
- Obliterators, although not sure what material (Darnok on Warseer)
- New sculpt for Kharn the Betrayer (ghost21 on Warseer and Jared Von Krell on Librarium Online)
- Daemon wave in August, which will be "plastic troops, last 2 boxes" (Whitehat, via Pretre on Dakka Dakka). The only 2 Troops choices in Codex: Chaos Daemons not in plastic yet are Plaguebearers and Nurglings, if that is what he meant.
- New Greater Daemons sometime in 2013 (theDarkGeneral on Warseer)
TheDude at Warseer has a very comprehensive rumor compilation, which includes rumoured rules and how the different Legions will work: www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?329949-Codex-Chaos-Legions-summary
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Chaos
Jul 23, 2012 14:29:00 GMT -5
Post by Servo on Jul 23, 2012 14:29:00 GMT -5
Finally, some updated rumours: Chaos Daemons (TheBitzBarn on Bell of Lost Souls, by way of EldarGal on Warseer): AUGUST 4th Plaguebearers (Plastic) 29.00 USD (10 Man box) Screamers (Plastic) 29.75 USD (3 figures) Flamers (Plastic) 20.00 USD (3 Figures) Seekers Chariot of Slaanesh (Plastic) 29.75 USD (1 Model) Nurglings (Plastic) 25.00 USD (3 figures) The Blue Scribes (resin) 40.00 USD Codex: CSM information (Confirmations after each item and statements at end from Skcuzzlebumm on Bell of Lost Souls): -Release date: September 1st (my guess as well) -Hard back (my guess as well) -There is an Eye of the Gods-like table ~like the WFB Warriors of Chaos table. You get to roll on whenever a character kills another character in a challenge, or a Walker or Monstrous Creature. There is a multitude of gifts (and curses) that your Characters can acquire which range from +1 Save, +1 Toughness, or becoming either a Spawn or a Daemon Prince!!! (Sorta True — trying to lump all the funky stuff into one table is not totally accurate. CSM codex is table land. Expect many random charts and upgrades it will be hard to keep track.) -Chaos Cultists are in (true– said this and others before) -The Dragon flyer is in – think Necron Night Scythe with the main chassis replaced by a massive mechanical dragon head with segmented wings sweeping forward and around from it. (True – The thing looks like a dragon head attached to the Owl from Clash of the Titans) -Dark Apostles – ~Word Bearers rejoice!!! (True– but more of cultist leader/moral buffer) -Warp Smiths – Chaos Techmarines that can curse vehicles and degrade terrain. ~maybe they’ll have anti-psychotic grenades ( True -Think Doc Ock ) -New Daemon Engine – half way between a Dreadnought and a Defiler. (True -I would say halfway between Defiler and Trygon) -Defilers are Daemons and have a 5+ Inv save. (Yes a Demon, and some extra lovin…) -’Cult’ units are all Elites and are unlocked to Troops by appropriate HQ choices (True- Said this before, but have some good news on that front) -No Cult Terminators ~boo hiss!!! (-True, boo hiss!!!) -Obliterators are exclusively for shooting – so no powerfists. (-False they will shoot, but still have a powerfist) HOWEVER there is a new unit which is basically a close combat Obliterator. (True) -There are 2 types of Raptors now: regular CSMs with Jump Packs, and Possessed Daemonic Raptors with Lightning Claws. (True) -Possessed take multiple benefits from the Eye of the Gods table. (not sure) -NO Daemons in the Codex. (true, but allies FTW!) –Important Designer Note– The new CSM codex is not a return to the 3rd edition codex, this is the successor to Gav Thorpe’s creation– the current CSM codex. Unlike before Phil Kelly was put in charge of building from the ground up; Space Wolves, Dark Eldar, and Orks codexes he instead has taken a much more subtle approach with the CSM Codex. This is not the reinvention of the wheel at its core this is a validation for Gav Thorpe and perhaps if you could ask Gav, Phil Kelly’s CSM codex would have been the codex he wished he could have written, but wasn’t allowed to. –What will be Released– We will know if GW has changed policy. This codex will reveal if GW has abandoned the wave method to model release with a new codex or if they have stopped caring and show you all the new models even if they don’t come out right away. Finecast: Dark Apostle, Warsmith, New Lord, Oblits, All Old Special Characters not updated already New Plastic: Dragon, Raptors, Dreadnaught, Demon Engine, Assault Oblits, Chosen Upgrade Packs: Plague Marines, 1k Sons, Emperor’s Children –General Changes– Almost all of the old units are either the same point cost or have gotten cheaper. With the notable exceptions of Chosen, Terminators, Defilers getting more expensive. The notable cheaper ones being basic CSM, Oblits, Zerkers, The CSM is really an upgrade codex, while things have gotten cheaper you will be hard pressed to keep your units inexpensive with all the wargear you can add. The cheaper units doesn’t come without a cost as well, almost all units saw a LD drop. Also you will start to see a lot of the new USRs in the CSM book. –What has stayed the Same– The Cult units are the same in stats and basic wargear. No new Spacial Characters. Abbadon is still the only one with Eternal Warrior. Demon Weapons still can kill you. The Dreadnaught is still Crazy. The unit sizes have stayed the same as well as the wargear options found in the old codex; e.g. Chosen can still get a butt load special weapons. –Psychic Powers– As can you expect each Chaos God gives their chosen Sorcerer access to their own set of spells. That allows you to pick from Basic Spells and the new ones for each God. If anyone was wondering Lash of Submission is gone. Ok now that we got the basics out-of-the-way let us get to the good stuff –Daemons– A good number of units in the CSM codex have this USR. •Raptors •Oblits •CC Oblit •Defilers •Demon Engines •Dragons •Possessed •Demon Prince –It Will Not Die– Wonder who was getting this new USR well you guessed it CSM is. •Dragons •Defilers •Demon Engines –Demon Possessed– Demon possessed just got a whole bunch cuter really. Instead of not being able to embark in demon possessed vehicles they now will only eat one of your guys and repair itself. Otherwise works the same way as before lose BS and ignore shaken and stunned, In addition some things get wargear automatically. •Dragons •Defliers •Demon Engines –Challenges– All CSM characters must always accept challenges –Icons and Marks– Marks and Icons are both purchasable by most units. That means you have five new Icons and the same four marks, in which units can have a combination of two. This is a list of the USRs and stat bonus possible. •Fearless •FnP •+1 T •+1 Invul Save •Rage •Soul Blaze •Furious Charge •Fear •+1 I –Space Marines Better Hide– Almost all CSM units get Hatred Space Marines. Now I am not sure if this includes all Space Marine variants or just Smurfs and friends. –?Eye of the Gods Table?– Yeah this will be the chart to end all charts and competitive players will cry everywhere because it is random. All 60+random abilities! Yes you heard it right over 60! How it works I don’t know, but characters can get multiple rolls on the chart through various methods. Time for some specific models right? Sure why not! –Dragon– Oh the Dragon yeah the model on everyone mind. This is a CSM answer to other flyers it is designed almost exclusively to hunt and destroy other flyers. Clocking in about the same points cost of Carnifex these little hell on wings Vector Strike and bring pain to a lot of things. Did I mention it gets to re-roll wounds and armor pens. –Demon Engines– The other mystery model that has been leaked. These guys sit on the large bases like Trygons. They have an assortment of special weapons that have never been seen before. They are designed for Building and Heavy armor destruction with Melta CC weapons and bonuses against buildings. They as well get to re-roll wounds and armor pens. Side note: Defilers as well get to re-roll wounds and armor pen.
–Dragons, Demon Engines, Defilers oh my-
So let me put this in perspective. All these models ignore shaken and stunned, have 5+ invul saves, re-roll wounds and armor pens, and can recover wounds and hull points lost. –Cult Units– I know much of the Internet was crying about them only being in the Elite slot when I first mentioned it. How dare they force me to take Kharn to spam Berserkers! Well don’t worry is not as bad as you think. You can also get a generic Lord and buy the correct mark and unlock them as troops as well. As for the rules themselves just minor changes. •Zerkers: Rage, Cheaper •1k Sons: Soul Fire, Same cost •Emperor Children: Weapons Ignore cover and now have Salvo USR, Cheaper •Plague Marines: Poison Weapons, More Expensive –Typhus and Cultists– Typhus is now a mastery level 2 sorcerer of Nurgle. In addition as reported earlier he can make any cultist a zombie. Zombies are going to be disgusting in 6th edition. FnP, Fearless, Fear, and all for no additional cost. As for Cultists they are cheap not conscript cheap, but close. You can get over 30 of them in a squad. –Daemon Princes, Sorcerers , Chaos Lords– Princes got more expensive wargear bringing them in line with the Demon Codex. Sorcerers are pretty much the same with the ability to buy up to Master level 3, but they only ever have 2 wounds. Chaos Lords are where it seems to be at, Phil Kelly wants you to design a Lord tailored to your army, their list of wargear options is easily the largest of any model in the book. Also remember they allow you to make Cult Units troops. Ok that is all I got for now, depending on how the week goes and what GW does I might get more rumors for you, but until now that is all I got. Wait, no I just remembered something…
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Chaos
Jul 24, 2012 16:01:20 GMT -5
Post by Servo on Jul 24, 2012 16:01:20 GMT -5
The Daemon wave is real. Here is a YouTube video of some Danish guys opening their new White Dwarf: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lECkhAw3qQw&feature=g-u-uNice pictures of all the new plastics. Also, this White Dwarf comes with a supplement with the rules changes for Chaos Daemons and new rules for Slaanesh Seeker Chariots. Finally, all 4 Lesser Daemon types are in plastic. And those Nurglings are adorable little sacks of vomit.
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Chaos
Jul 25, 2012 1:17:53 GMT -5
Post by JohnnyDangerous on Jul 25, 2012 1:17:53 GMT -5
I like the way they are being "embraced" by the company, I just hope they are as Killy as they are pretty... I mean so much of the deamon dex is over costed, it would be cool to have a dex I play not graded as mostly sub-par.... and not just for in game performance... as you all know I am WAY about fluff.... so why would Deamons be an issue at all if they are easy to kill? I can't wait to read more about it...
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Chaos
Aug 16, 2012 12:14:47 GMT -5
Post by Servo on Aug 16, 2012 12:14:47 GMT -5
There was a HUGE rumour dump on the site theonering.net by a supposed anonymous, disgruntled GW employee. The list showed all GW models for The Hobbit and WH40K to be released next year after June up to an unknown time. Here is the CSM/Daemon stuff: - Chaos Bike Squadron, Plastic- box
- Chaos Thousand Sons, Plastic- box
- Chaos Noise Marines, Plastic- box
- Bloodthirster, Plastic- box
- Lord of Change, Plastic- box
- Chaos Daemons Warp Stalkers / Chaos Furies, Plastic- box
- Great Unclean One, Plastic- box
- Keeper of Secrets, Plastic- box
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Chaos
Aug 20, 2012 18:50:31 GMT -5
Post by Servo on Aug 20, 2012 18:50:31 GMT -5
6th Edition Starter Set is confirmed for September 1st and will cost $99 ($107 for the Limited Edition version which includes a Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain). Here is the Chaos contents plus pictures (from Warseer): - Lord (In Power Armor)
- Hellbrute (With Twin Linked Melta and DCCW)
- Chosen (6 strong, with Power Maul, Power Fist and Lightning Claw)
- Cultists (20 strong, half with close combat weapon and pistol, the other half with assault rifle)
![](http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WNoID_FDhKc/UDPPJtX6hQI/AAAAAAAAAzI/OccKOZXzFfg/s667/8MtnE.jpg) ![](http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I8njufw4fA8/UDPPJv-tYxI/AAAAAAAAAzU/DW18nnj5XNo/s512/yFPM8h.jpg) ![](http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xf5FkstJcY8/UDPPGlMTMII/AAAAAAAAAzE/a0xH48mARNw/s512/40k002.jpg)
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Sept 19, 2012 22:21:34 GMT -5
Post by Servo on Sept 19, 2012 22:21:34 GMT -5
Pictures of the new Chaos Space Marine models from the October edition of White Dwarf: Sorceror (guy in the middle): Dark Apostle:![](http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Dk11HsRYqeA/UFqEEF4kfeI/AAAAAAAAA6s/sjb2mh133dk/s576/Dark%2520Apostle.jpg) A Chaos Chaplain, which will be popular with Word Bearers players. Warpsmith:![](http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-LVw_9Q1FtB0/UFqEJx1jaEI/AAAAAAAAA7U/kzqVPCd_4t0/s500/Warpsmith%252002.jpg) ![](http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Xy5He_r8lW4/UFqEJ-8z_1I/AAAAAAAAA7Y/sFx_DSMQ7NM/s576/Warpsmith.jpg) A Chaos Techmarine, which must be necessary now to explain all the Daemon Engines and Possessed Vehicles. Raptors / Warp Talons (combined plastic kit): ![](http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ViStKgZB0bA/UFqEIEvLLLI/AAAAAAAAA7I/qGGECLjcG_4/s500/Raptors.jpg) ![](http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_rfxXoiLPeg/UFqEIMVBhKI/AAAAAAAAA7M/bozSrYslzEU/s576/Warp%2520Talons%252001.jpg) ![](http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j91U_Qjf8Pk/UFqEIrI59oI/AAAAAAAAA7Q/2nTjSCCrOAI/s500/Warp%2520Talons%252002.jpg) Apparently, Raptors are standard Assault Marines now, Warp Talons are a mutated/possessed version who can go through walls or something. Mutilators:![](http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nIl4ts8gjRU/UFqEHPvVXxI/AAAAAAAAA7E/wJ56jVipis8/s500/Mutilators.jpg) Close combat version of Obliterators. God, I hope those face are not as bad as they appear. Forgefiend / Maulerfiend (combined plastic kit): ![](http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-I3bmIZKbVqE/UFqEFyUk6-I/AAAAAAAAA60/c_F4ysBxQfE/s576/Forge%2520Fiend%252002.jpg) ![](http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jNyY6bTXuuk/UFqEED6BINI/AAAAAAAAA6w/EaP5JdK48KU/s500/Forge%2520Fiend%252001.jpg) ![](http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4D7VX40j7iU/UFqEGicoXfI/AAAAAAAAA68/ncx2jPJgaEs/s576/Mauler%2520Fiend.jpg) New Deamon Engine. Looks about as big as a Carnifex. Helldrake:![](http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bxqt3rr012s/UFqEGvZBXdI/AAAAAAAAA64/NBieQTm4Dyg/s576/Helldrake.jpg) Flying mechanical dragon... I don't know why.
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Sept 20, 2012 23:07:36 GMT -5
Post by JohnnyDangerous on Sept 20, 2012 23:07:36 GMT -5
As much as I hate that the hellbrute can still go "crazy"... I <3 that sculpt... I mean it makes the previous dread look almost silly in comparison... Its crazy!!!
Why close combat oblits when regular oblits still get power fists? That is something I do not understand. Although with the difference in power weopons in 6th it would be helpful to get to choose your initiative and ap values on the fly... but for the price of an oblit.... hmmm
Im also happy deamon princes were reigned in a bit... that was just getting silly...
Lastly... doesnt that forge fiend look like it belongs in steam powered Warmachine not 40k? Just saying...
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Chaos
Sept 23, 2012 14:02:47 GMT -5
Post by Servo on Sept 23, 2012 14:02:47 GMT -5
As much as I hate that the hellbrute can still go "crazy"... I <3 that sculpt... I mean it makes the previous dread look almost silly in comparison... Its crazy!!! Love it, but I am hoping for a plastic multi-part kit still. Pretty sure the new Codex will have Obliterators ONLY taking ranged weapons and Mutilators ONLY taking melee weapons. Just wait until you see the rocket-propelled dirigibles and Victorian-era power armour with top hats and canes that are coming out in Wave 2!
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Chaos
Sept 23, 2012 15:41:13 GMT -5
Post by JohnnyDangerous on Sept 23, 2012 15:41:13 GMT -5
Awesome!!! I hope we can get some jet bi-planes to launch from those dirigibles...
What sort of ap value do those canes have? I assume those top hats give a 4+ invulnerable that can be lowered to a 2+ with the right monocle and curly mustache... but it might require a pipe...
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Oct 16, 2012 23:00:38 GMT -5
Post by JohnnyDangerous on Oct 16, 2012 23:00:38 GMT -5
After spending an hour looking through the new chaos 6th edition codex.... I am simply amazed. For good and for bad.... I mean WOW! It looks like a whole lot of work went into it, it is wacky(i suppose as dealing with daemons and daemonic powers should be), it seems in some ways reigned in(no lash of submission, Daemon Princes costed similar to Daemons Dex) but in other ways crazy(a warlord can be mutated into a daemon prince for free, chaos space marines only cost 13 points per model base points), and then there is the weirdness(boon of mutation is now a friendly fire attack(it used to be an attack) the chaos dread going crazy actually isnt that bad anymore it actually can make him better, and lets not forget cultists can be turned into zombies)... Its an overwhelming but interesting read.
Has anyone else taken a gander at the book?
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Oct 23, 2012 16:33:59 GMT -5
Post by Servo on Oct 23, 2012 16:33:59 GMT -5
Finally had a chance to read it.
Love the "Champion of Chaos" rule which basically forces all CSM characters and sergeants to issue Challenges; the updated Helbrute (Dreadnought) Crazed Table; Cultists; and Mutilators and Obliterators (but NOT the models).
Hate the Dinobots/Megazords (Fiends and Heldrake); Warp Talons; and the far-too-weak Psychic Powers.
Chaos Boon Table looks fun, but hard to keep track of on the table. GW needs to make some army-specific markers.
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Oct 30, 2012 23:02:02 GMT -5
Post by JohnnyDangerous on Oct 30, 2012 23:02:02 GMT -5
But Grimloc was so awesome: youtu.be/BtGdfulu5KIAgree with the markers 100% Gotta agree with Beasts of War... It makes it difficult to want to fully upgrade any squad leader who forcibly has to take on every other squad leader he comes across... battles will have to be chosen very carefully!! Otherwise you just dropped a bunch of points into a guy who wont be along for much of the game once he calls out a Chaplain or Power sword wielding Captain, which I expect will be leading a lot of troops in 6th...
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Feb 18, 2013 18:33:09 GMT -5
Post by Servo on Feb 18, 2013 18:33:09 GMT -5
Kroothawk on Dakkadakka posted a release list for Chaos Deamons from Pizzaguardian: www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/470602.pageJoint release for WHF and 40K in March. Multiple waves expected. Rumored contents of Wave 1: - Codex
- WHF Army Book
- Psychic cards
- Plastic Nurgle Plague Drones
- Plastic Tzeentch Burning Chariot
- Plastic Khorne Bloodthrone / Skull Cannon
- Plastic Nurgle Herald
- Finecast Khorne Herald
- Finecast Slaanesh Herald
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Feb 19, 2013 17:58:37 GMT -5
Post by JohnnyDangerous on Feb 19, 2013 17:58:37 GMT -5
I'm still hopeing for a plastic Bloodthirster!! I will not be able to avoid buying one of those... of course, I will love the not having to split army and deep strike all of the units in(Daemonic Assault), finally getting chariots:), and plague drones sound cool too...
Overall, making them less random and more playable will = more fun. Course it will be written with 6th in mind so all those flying daemons will be pricey, points wise that is...
I wonder if they will be written to ally with CSM or if it will be written more as a stand alone book that can coincidently ally with them.
Anyone read the part where GW is a year ahead on codexes and such? That's crazy... are they just milking it out so that people can save money in between releases to buy stuff?
good find Servo!
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